Talk:Gay agenda

Used by the Christian religious right?

This is going to seem nitpicky, but the first paragraph of this article makes it sound like gay agenda (or other terms) is only used by a subset of the christian faith.

While this may have been true in the past, light of what some may perceive to be heavy-handed changes in the tv, film, and video game industries in the US, in over-representing diversity, people of color, various sexual orientations, there is a growing 'anti-woke' sentiment among various groups.

Whether those views are right or wrong is irrelevent to the point i'm trying to make here- this is not specific to a subset of christianity. It may have been before, but in reaction to these recent pop culture changes, there are people who are expressing attitudes regarding for example an 'LGBTQ+ agenda' that are doing so for reasons that are entirely unrelated to their religion.

As an example, I stumbled across this article by seeing the link under 'Audience Response' on The Acolyte (TV Series), referencing an LGBTQ+ agenda. This is something that's actively discussed in the US, wholly separate from religion, as a result of studios race,gender, orientation swapping characters, or transparently making some characters particular races, genders, orientations, or varying levels of abled-ness, in order to 'check boxes' for the sake of diversity. It's a very contentious issue in the US at this time and in this context, does not have anything to do with conservative christians.

At least, by me saying this, I mean while this may have originated with them, there are instances where people are using this term or having these attitudes separate from their religious views.

In summary, I think the article could use a slight change to this wording in the first paragraph. It's very useful to call out where these ideas originated from, but I think it would be better to clarify it to where it's not implying that this is a (pejorative) term used only by the conservative christians.

Perhaps the second paragraph could be expanded along the lines of saying that it's also used to describe LGBT activists influence on movies, tv, video games. I can't articulate this well, but hopefully someone else knows what I'm getting at here (Genuinely, this isn't me trying to troll) and can contribute.

I'm not well versed with wikipedia, so hopefully this has been helpful and isn't just a long rant; I just stumbled upon the article and felt it was an odd thing to see. Heimerslinger (talk) 00:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles rely on evaluation and analysis by published secondary sources. There will be many sources that use terms like "LGBTQ+ agenda" without being about the terms themselves. Especially with articles about words and phrases, we need sources that examine the social or historical significance of the term itself, rather than just using it in passing to talk about something else as in the coverage of The Acolyte. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

To summarise your long rant, you are saying that social conservatism and its emphasis on traditional gender roles are not exclusive to Christianity, nor primarily motivated by religious concerns. In real life, I have a brother who is agnostic but has supported social-conservative parties for most of his adult life, and I have met several lifelong socialists who were social conservatives in their opinions on family structure and gender roles (including both of my parents). But in Wikipedia, we are obligated to summarise the perspective of reliable sources, not our personal experiences. Do you have sources for your suggested changes? Dimadick (talk) 08:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)