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(Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 00:59, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation files

Great work on Image:Ru-Dostoevsky.ogg, it was a pleasure listening to. I am going to start developing the article on Преступление и наказание (Crime and Punishment) once I finish the bloody book! I hope to make it quite comprehensive and want the book name, some character names and possibly other relevent Russian words recorded. I understand you are a native Russian speaker with an interest in linguistics who obviously has the desire and facilities to record pronunciation files (as demonstrated by the above link). I wonder whether you could record these for me? I haven't yet compiled a list of the words I want recorded (I will provide both the transliterated and Cyrillic versions of each of these). If you can help it would be greatly appreciated. --Oldak Quill 21:42, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sure thing. Though my Russian is actually not totally functional, the pronunciation is. I spoke Russian fluently until I was 9. Then my family moved to Sweden permanently, and I stopped using the language. It's pretty stale right now, but I'm trying to improve it. I can still read cyrillic well, though, so no need for transliteration. If you intend on putting it in an article, why not write it in IPA?

Btw. If you liked the Dostoevsky file, you should check this out. It's from Pushkin's "Winter evening". Check out the Pronunciation section while you're at it. The Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Portugese, Russian and Swedish categories are all mine. karmosin 00:27, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

Very cool that you did a pronounciation file for Bergman. Now I'm just trying to learn to pronounce it like a real Swede. Easier said than done... --Comics 21:43, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess you noticed that I did it for both Ingrid and Ingmar. If you have any requests for pronunciations in Swedish or Russian that seem important enough to have hear, just give me a holler. karmosin 22:10, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Swedish "sj" pronunciation!

I was hoping someone would do this, and you did, thank you.

I'll listen to it when I get home.

I wonder if your versions have a Russian accent :-D

Steve Rapaport 14:58, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not a hint. My parents aren't Russian actually, eventhough they both speak the language. I've always spoken Swedish at home.

I could make a recording of a Russian accent in Swedish, though. ^_^ karmosin 17:18, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

Also I can add to the line of thankful thankers!

I've made my best, but I can't hear any difference between your media:Voiceless dorso-palatal velar fricative.ogg and media:Sv-sju stjärna skjul.ogg and what I'm used to from academics in Malmö/Lund, although when listening to your sju-sjösjuka... my brain interprets (all or most of) your fricatives there as velar or possibly uvular fricatives, far from what my memory tells me about prestigeous Stockholm pronounciation, [which I hope you read as yet another sign of just how confused this issue seems for foreigners,] and also different (but less so) from what I would have expected from high-status speakers in Lund, who I guess would have a less pronounced velar sound and more of hissing from the front of the mouth... ;-)

I also found your media:Sv-sj-sound in five variants.ogg. Is it used or explained anywhere? From the prosody, I can recognize some dialectal patterns, but...

--Ruhrjung 00:34, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Cornelis

Hey, Karmosin, thanks for adding the cool .ogg file to Cornelis Vreeswijk! That article was my first effort on en.wiki--expanded from a stub, IIRC--so I have a nostalgia for it, and really appreciate improvements. I don't suppose you could chase up a Dutch speaker, so we could have a competing Dutch pronunciation as well? :-) Bishonen | Talk 22:42, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The thought did cross my mind. Think you could do it, though? Here's the link to the Dutch pronunciation request page. I have so many projects that I think I need to start handing out orders. :-)

Think you could look through the German and Dutch pronunciation files and add them to articles like Amsterdam, Eindhoven and Berlin? The notion so far seems to be that pronunciations are intended for the wiktionaries, but I think they are far more valuable on Wikipedia. It could be a good way to promote the somewhat impopular .ogg-format too. Peter Isotalo 00:12, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

I've posted the Cornelis request, thanks for the link, Peter, but as for looking through the German and Dutch... uh, what? How? Look where? I'm willing to help, but I don't understand what to do there, sorry. You'll have to be more specific. Words of one syllable, please. Speak slowly, enunciate clearly. ;-) Bishonen | Talk 15:00, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Eric Ericson

Perhaps you could merge your text from the Eric Eriksson page with the already existing page at Eric Ericson and make the new page a redirect. / Uppland 22:48, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

G'damnit! And I was so sure I checked the spelling...

I'll do it pronto. Peter Isotalo 00:14, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Swedish

I'm sorry, I do not have the necessary expertise to decide between your and Tuomas' version. I understand you intended to create the Standard Swedish article? Maybe things will become clearer once Tuomas and you carve that out. Tuomas' bias seems to be that there is no Standard Swedish, but that there are three equally 'standard' dialects. I honestly don't know. But I would of course remind Tuomas, that even if he is right, he is still required to discuss politely (and preferably in English:) and to cite his references. regards, dab (ᛏ) 08:22, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Request

Could you make an audio file with the pronunciation of "Дмитрий Евгеньевич Сычёв"? Thank you very much in advance! —Cantus…☎ 02:32, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Woohoo!! Thanks a lot! That was fantastic. —Cantus…☎ 23:43, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Peter Isotalo 23:50, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Comments on Chinese Language/ Category:Chinese_pronunciation

Chinese pronounciation

Just some tips, now that I have a bit of time. Unless you mind. :)

Zh-Beifanghua: 8/10 Near perfect. Bei sounds like you're straining to go down that it quivers slightly.
Zh-Beijing2: 8/10 Near perfect also. Pull tongue more back with jing, after "j" is pronounced.
Zh-Changan: 9/10 Perfect. Chang could use a SLIGHT bit more vowel than fricative.
Zh-Deng Xiaoping: 10/10 Utter perfection. Even with a Beijing flavour!! :D
Zh-Huang he: 9/10. A slight tad too much fricative than normal.
Zh-Jiang-Jieshi: 7/10. Jiang and Jie perfect. Hold your mouth and tongue position all the way to the

end when on Shi; if the mouth spreads apart before you finish, it becomes a She (蛇) (snake).

Zh-Mao Zedong: 8.5/10. "Mao" is a bit strained sounding. Remember on a name, all three characters

should have the same length when pronounced.

Zh-Qingdao: 6.5/10. It sounds like JingDou. For Qing, the vowel sound kicked in too early. It should be fricative most of the way until a short -ing. For Dao, a longer downtone and shorter uptone would be

better.

Zh-Shanghai: 8/10. Hai is third tone... it sounded a bit second tone in the recording.
Zh-Xi'an: 10/10.
Zh-Xianggang: 8.5/10. Like Dao, try a longer, louder downtone and a shorter, softer uptone.
Zh-hanzi: 10/10.
Zh-pinyin tones with ma: 10/10.
Zh-zhongguo: 10/10.

Lovely. I've been wanting to hear some proper feedback on those for quite a while now. I'll put all the ones with lower than 9 up for deletion and work them over with your comments in mind. Especially those trick third tones...

I encourage you to make the same kind of recordings, btw. I did those mostly to try to get the attention of native speakers. Peter Isotalo 03:45, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Chinese Language

Talk:Chinese_language#Up_for_peer_review

Znode 02:30, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)

Map of Chinese dialects

I'll look into recreating that map. My concern is that it looks a bit too intricate for freehand. I'm searching the net for a shapefile that might contain the requisite data to get the basis of the map made programatically. Kbh3rd 01:15, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Replied

PSW FAC

Regarding Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Polish-Soviet_War the bottom line is that I am out of ideas what can be cut out without damaging the article. As a creator (agreed, biased), I feel that all remaining info is essential. Please tell me EXACTLY what sections/parts/etc. you find unimportant enough to be moved to a subarticle? Preferably on FAC page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 12:16, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The article has been reduced to 44kb. Would you support it now? Honestly, there is *nothing* left I can cut out anymore... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:15, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

44k! Sounds like you've done quite a deal of work. I'll read it through properly tonight. Peter Isotalo 17:21, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

I ate my cat

I have to point out your translation of "I ate my cat" to Russian is somewhat off. It should be "Ya sjel moyego kota". "Koshka" is a female cat, and in that case it should be "Ya sjel moyu koshku", not "moyey". Grue 13:24, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Crap. Looked at the wrong case in my grammar. Change the text and I'll make a new sound file.

What little intuitive feel for Russian I have left definetly tells me that "cat" should be feminine unless a masculine distinction is actually called for. So make it a sentence with "koshka". Peter Isotalo 13:33, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Manx (cat) comments reply

Peter thank you for your input on the Manx cat article. I'm posting my reply to all those who've addressed it seperately to be sure they have a chance to understand as much as possible about the me the breed and an invitation to learn more if they wish. I hope you'll find my comments polite and as constructive criticism as that is my intent.

To The JPS, Peter Isotalo and Matt Crypto who commented about the picture I posted. It's a very sad day when a picture of one of the oldest living Manx breeders known, judging a perfect example of the Manx is not worthy of being posted in this encyclopedia to represent the breed, herself, the breeder and The Cat Fanciers' Association. She's notable enough to have bred and judged registered Manx cats for more than 40 years, bred more than 35 Grand Champion Manx, be shown on the television show "The Animal Planet", written and assisted writing the breed standard for The Cat Fanciers Association (which is the world's largest cat registy), provided articles for magazines and books on the breed ( I could go on and on on her accomplishments with the Manx) yet isn't worthy to be listed on this site, what standards are you going by here? If people truly do not know anything about this breed as has been stated, what basis do they then have to edit and monitor it's content as to what is acceptable and what is not accurate? Makes one wonder if they don't know what is truth and what is not. I would be more than happy to replace the picture in question ( I have better pictures of Barbara judging my Manx that are higher resolution and show more of the cat like you've suggested) however, I don't think this is about another picture. It's about not allowing registered breeders the chance to teach others the truth that any tailless cat can not be considered a Manx cat. I think you should also know, although I was asked to post a new picture it's already been replaced...guess who! Hint: not me! Are you now saying that I should go replace that picture with mine, where does this end? What's the sense of everyone offering their opinions if what they suggest is not given the chance to be followed through? Who's job is it to make sure what's being posted is accurate and to block or stop people from doing as they were not told to do anyway?

As to those who admit they don't know enough about this breed to know what is and isn't correct, now's your chance to learn if you truly wish to. To learn more about the Manx breed cat from someone who has also been a long time breeder for 25 years, has a BS Eng.Phy., MS Ed, is President of the American Manx Club, technical consultant to Karen Commings for Manx Cats: (Complete Pet Owners Manual), (Barons, 1999) and Joanne Mattern for The Manx Cat, (Capstone Press, 2003, as well as being highly respected by Manx breeders and considered an authority on this breed, get in touch with Sherman Ross. His email address is openly displayed on the American Manx Club site. (tahame@juno.com) I'm sure Sherman would be more than happy to speak to anyone about this breed, address their questions and put to rest the MTYH of Manx Syndrome and other genetic stories about this breed that are incorrect. I'm not concerned about letting people know the Manx breed has genetic limitations, I have warnings about it on my website as well. Reputable breeders would never try to hide, cover up or decieve potential owners from the facts. However, I am very passionate about people knowing the "term" Manx Syndrome is just that, a "term". It is what is used by some as a description for illnesses seen by some in the Manx breed cat. However, the illnesses that are covered by the "term" happen in other breeds of animals as well as humans such as spina bifida, incontinence and rectal prolaspe, they're not only seen in the Manx breed. Therefore, those who use it are misrepresenting the "term" and breed. Also, stating "inbreeding causes shortened tails", is not accurate. Sherman tells me if this were true every registered breed of cat would produce some foreshortened tails. When was the last time you saw a bobtailed Persian, Korat, Occicat, etc? Here's where I'll end my comments, I've given those reading this discussion page enough to think over for now, do get in touch with Sherman he's a wonderful human being, loves the Manx breed and is just as passionate about it as I am.

Karello 06:42, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

To save you time, Peter, I've already replied on Talk:Manx (cat). The JPS 08:05, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Recordings

Hi Peter,

Unfortunately I don't have a microphone on hand, and so I can't really help out by making more pronunciation files. I'll certainly try to get more involved at Talk:Chinese language though. ;) Btw, how about putting a request up on Wikipedia:China-related topics notice board? I think / hope / pray that a lot of Chinese contributors here have that page on their watchlists. -- ran (talk) 09:23, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

I've put up a request. -- ran (talk) 09:28, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Makedonien

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